{"id":35360,"date":"2025-11-03T10:23:49","date_gmt":"2025-11-03T09:23:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/pba.mmsh.fr\/?p=35360"},"modified":"2025-12-16T12:01:59","modified_gmt":"2025-12-16T11:01:59","slug":"seminaire-reflexions-et-experimentations-autour-de-larchivage-du-web-depuis-le-huma-num-lab","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pba.mmsh.fr\/?p=35360","title":{"rendered":"[S\u00e9minaire]  De l\u2019archivage \u00e0 la statification des sites web : exp\u00e9rimentations techniques et usages en SHS"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class='__iawmlf-post-loop-links' style='display:none;' data-iawmlf-post-links='[{&quot;id&quot;:18,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/doi.org\\\/10.5281\\\/zenodo.17863360&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/zenodo.org\\\/doi\\\/10.5281\\\/zenodo.17863360&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[],&quot;broken&quot;:false,&quot;last_checked&quot;:null,&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;},{&quot;id&quot;:19,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/mediatec.hypotheses.org\\\/contacts&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[],&quot;broken&quot;:false,&quot;last_checked&quot;:null,&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;},{&quot;id&quot;:20,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/evento.renater.fr\\\/survey\\\/inscription-seance-3...-dsgso2d0&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/web-wp.archive.org\\\/web\\\/20260416141010\\\/https:\\\/\\\/evento.renater.fr\\\/survey\\\/inscription-seance-3...-dsgso2d0&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-05-03 11:57:21&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:200}],&quot;broken&quot;:false,&quot;last_checked&quot;:{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-05-03 11:57:21&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:200},&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;}]'><\/div>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-right\"><a href=\"#EN\">English version<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Mercredi 3 d\u00e9cembre 14h-16h<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>S\u00e9ance n\u00b0 3 du s\u00e9minaire WebLab \u2013 Humath\u00e8que Condorcet&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/pba.mmsh.fr\/?page_id=34023\"><em>Le Web et les archives du Web pour la recherche en SHS : savoirs, m\u00e9thodes et outils pour la collecte, l\u2019analyse et la p\u00e9rennisation de corpus en ligne<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Durant cette s\u00e9ance, nous accueillerons St\u00e9phane Pouyllau, cofondateur d\u2019Huma-Num, ISIDORE et NAKALA, est responsable du Huma-Num Lab (HN Lab), p\u00f4le de recherche, d\u2019innovation et de valorisation de l\u2019infrastructure Huma-Num. \u00c0 partir de l\u2019exp\u00e9rience du HN Lab, il pr\u00e9sentera les orientations actuelles, les exp\u00e9rimentations en cours, ainsi que les enjeux techniques et collaboratifs li\u00e9s \u00e0 la collecte, \u00e0 l\u2019archivage et \u00e0 la valorisation des donn\u00e9es du Web pour le SHS.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A cette occasion nous recevrons \u00e9galement Shiwei Li (AMU, IRASIA ), Ma\u00eetre de conf\u00e9rences en Langue et litt\u00e9rature Chinoises \u00e0 l\u2019IRASIA (UMR 7306 AMU-CNRS), responsable du projet \u00abGenre en Asie\u00bb et membre du Conseil scientifique de CoREF.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Le Web statique pour faciliter l\u2019archivage : r\u00e9flexions et exp\u00e9rimentations au sein du Huma-Num Lab<\/strong> <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>St\u00e9phane Pouyllau (HN Lab, Huma-Num), en visioconf\u00e9rence<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Cette pr\u00e9sentation sera articul\u00e9e \u00e0 partir de l\u2019exp\u00e9rience du HN Lab. Stephane Pouyllau pr\u00e9sentera les orientations actuelles, les exp\u00e9rimentations en cours, ainsi que les enjeux techniques li\u00e9s \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9dition Web \u201clow-tech\u201d (autour du Web statique) dans la perspective d\u2019en faciliter l\u2019archivage et la d\u00e9couvrabilit\u00e9. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Diaporama de la pr\u00e9sentation :<\/strong><br>Pouyllau, S. (2025). Enjeux techniques et collaboratifs li\u00e9s \u00e0 la collecte, \u00e0 l&rsquo;archivage et \u00e0 la valorisation des donn\u00e9es du Web pour le SHS. De l&rsquo;archivage \u00e0 la stratification des sites web : exp\u00e9rimentations techniques et usages en SHS, Aix-en-Provence. Zenodo. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.5281\/zenodo.17863360\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.5281\/zenodo.17863360<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Compte Rendu de la communication :<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>St\u00e9phane Pouyllau a construit des sites web pendant plusieurs ann\u00e9es pour diffuser la recherche, mais il questionne d\u00e9sormais la pertinence de cette m\u00e9thode. Avec Huma-Num, l\u2019infrastructure qu\u2019il a cofond\u00e9e, l\u2019objectif principal est de stabiliser et conserver les donn\u00e9es de recherche plut\u00f4t que les sites eux-m\u00eames, qui sont consid\u00e9r\u00e9s comme de simples espaces de publication. La conservation porte sur les donn\u00e9es, notamment via Nakala, le stockage \u00e0 long terme du CINES et les Archives nationales.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>La question de l\u2019archivage des sites web est devenue importante pour Huma-Num suite \u00e0 une demande du projet Chine COREF. Cela a conduit \u00e0 exp\u00e9rimenter l\u2019outil Archive-It, r\u00e9v\u00e9lant deux enjeux : la capacit\u00e9 d\u2019Huma-Num \u00e0 offrir ce service \u00e0 grande \u00e9chelle et la diff\u00e9rence entre les besoins patrimoniaux, qui visent \u00e0 pr\u00e9server l\u2019int\u00e9gralit\u00e9 du site, et les besoins scientifiques, qui privil\u00e9gient la r\u00e9utilisation des donn\u00e9es. Huma-Num se concentre donc sur la constitution de corpus exploitables plut\u00f4t que sur la conservation du site en tant que tel.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Cette exp\u00e9rience a conduit \u00e0 une r\u00e9flexion plus large sur la fabrication des sites web scientifiques. La question se pose de savoir \u00e0 qui ils s\u2019adressent r\u00e9ellement : aux humains, aux moteurs de recherche, ou aux robots d\u2019intelligence artificielle, dont la part dans le trafic web ne cesse d\u2019augmenter. Face \u00e0 cette \u00e9volution, plusieurs projets exp\u00e9rimentent un retour au web statique, plus simple \u00e0 maintenir, archiver et d\u00e9ployer. Le HN Lab d\u00e9veloppe notamment l\u2019\u00e9diteur Stylo qui produit des pages HTML l\u00e9g\u00e8res sans base de donn\u00e9es ni feuilles de style complexes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Depuis le d\u00e9but des ann\u00e9es 2000, les CMS comme WordPress ou Drupal ont rendu les sites plus lourds et difficiles \u00e0 maintenir, ce qui menace leur p\u00e9rennit\u00e9. Huma-Num h\u00e9berge aujourd\u2019hui plus de mille sites qui risquent de dispara\u00eetre faute de maintenance. St\u00e9phane &nbsp;Pouyllau invite donc les \u00e9quipes de recherche \u00e0 r\u00e9fl\u00e9chir aux choix technologiques et \u00e9ditoriaux qu\u2019elles font, en se demandant quelle trace elles souhaitent laisser, comment assurer la durabilit\u00e9 de leurs sites et quelle autonomie d\u2019utilisation elles veulent pr\u00e9server.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Lieu : Salle de cours n\u00b08 \u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/mediatec.hypotheses.org\/contacts\">MMSH<\/a>&nbsp;et en visioconf\u00e9rence<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Lien de connexion sur inscription<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Pour s&rsquo;inscrire : <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/evento.renater.fr\/survey\/inscription-seance-3...-dsgso2d0\">https:\/\/evento.renater.fr\/survey\/inscription-seance-3&#8230;-dsgso2d0<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"EN\">[Seminar] Reflections and Experiments on Web Archiving from the Huma-Num Lab<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p>Wednesday, December 3, 2:00\u20134:00 PM<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Session 3 of the WebLab \u2013 Humath\u00e8que Condorcet seminar <em><a href=\"https:\/\/pba.mmsh.fr\/?page_id=34023\">The Web and Web Archives for Research in the Social Sciences and Humanities: Knowledge, Methods, and Tools for Collecting, Analyzing, and Preserving Online Corpora<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This session will feature a presentation by St\u00e9phane Pouyllau, co-founder of Huma-Num, ISIDORE, and NAKALA, and head of the Huma-Num Lab (HN Lab), a research, innovation, and outreach unit of the Huma-Num infrastructure. Drawing on the experience of the HN Lab, he will discuss current directions, ongoing experiments, and the technical and collaborative challenges related to collecting, archiving, and enhancing web data for social sciences and humanities research.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We will also welcome Shiwei Li (AMU, IRASIA), a member of the scientific advisory board of the COREF project.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Static Web for Facilitating Archiving: Reflections and Experiments within the Huma-Num Lab<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>St\u00e9phane Pouyllau (HN Lab, Huma-Num), online presentation<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This talk will draw on the experience of the HN Lab. St\u00e9phane Pouyllau will present current directions, ongoing experiments, and the technical issues related to \u201clow-tech\u201d web publishing (based on the static web), with the aim of facilitating both archiving and discoverability.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Report of the intervention:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>St\u00e9phane Pouyllau built websites for several years to disseminate research, but he now questions the relevance of this approach. With Huma-Num, the infrastructure he co-founded, the main goal is to stabilize and preserve research data rather than the websites themselves, which are considered mere publishing platforms. Preservation focuses on the data, notably through Nakala, the long-term storage service at CINES, and the National Archives.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The issue of archiving websites became important for Huma-Num following a request from the China COREF project. This led to experimenting with the Archive-It tool, revealing two challenges: Huma-Num\u2019s capacity to offer this service on a large scale and the difference between heritage needs, which aim to preserve entire sites, and scientific needs, which prioritize data reuse. Therefore, Huma-Num focuses on creating usable corpora rather than conserving the site as such.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This experience led to a broader reflection on the creation of scientific websites. The question arises as to who these sites are really for: humans, search engines, or artificial intelligence robots, whose share of web traffic continues to grow. In response to this evolution, several projects are experimenting with a return to the static web, which is simpler to maintain, archive, and deploy. The HN Lab notably develops the Stylo editor, which produces lightweight HTML pages without databases or complex style sheets.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Since the early 2000s, content management systems like WordPress or Drupal have made websites heavier and harder to maintain, threatening their longevity. Huma-Num currently hosts over a thousand sites at risk of disappearing due to lack of maintenance. 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